Would you like a free supercap, some faction modules, and a T2 BPO or two with that insane handout?

Exactly, so it doesn't matter what you do or change. Also, how is this a problem?

Yeah, it is kinda funny the posters argueing that naturally the default value should be the same as a perfect remap with +5's implanted. Not self-motivated, not a bit .

Fortune favours the smart, it wouldn't help you.

I'm reading the thread and just to put something out there while were on the topic of changing attribute system. Perhaps if you do not remove the system in its entirety, maybe create something that actually "develops" the attributes. EVE is unique in that your attributes never grow. you can play for 10 years but your base attribute points never grow. I had the Idea that if you get podded you get an increase in some attribute points almost as some learning survival instinct that the clone passes to the medical clone from the lessons learned from it's death. It could also serve as a learning curve and make new players more likely to experience null/sec and WH spaces. You could calculate in diminishing returns each time you die and for a given time frame though so some one doesn't go out on a suicide spree to try and get a bunch of attribute points.

EVE players like to tout the concept of rookies getting within striking distance of vets, but I don't think it's as true as people think. After participating in this thread, my feelings about the utility curve of characters has changed, to worse than before. And yeah, there's still some residual disparity in SP accumulation even after the removal of learning skills.

You have these vets who are skilling at full clip, with a lot of prereqs already under their belt, while new characters still have to train Cybernetics to IV or V and then come up with the ISK for attribute implants.

I already know the next order of business for changes is skill prereqs that are V, when they could be I or III. T2 ship prereqs, in particular. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they're some of the worst offenders of placing a time wall in front of characters.

Anyway. If the goal is to allow new characters to hit the ground running at the same speed as vet characters, variable attributes have to go. Implants, though, I think should stay, as a modification of base attributes.

I know it seems like I'm simply repeating myself, but I'm just arriving at the same conclusion after considering new arguments made in the thread.

Remaps are just awkward. I won't ever miss them if they go away. Variation by attribute is preserved (and there's still a reason to list them on skills) if we keep attribute implants.